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>> seismic day. >> north korea is threatening to attack the u.s. territory of guam, home to andersen air force base in response to u.s. bombers flying over the korean peninsula on monday. this after president trump's extraordinary warning to pyongyang that any threat to the u.s. would be met with, quote, fire and fury. >> as a result lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, expressing alarm and slamming the president's comments and calling on him to be more measures. all this comes after a new intelligence assessment that north korea has produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles. escalating threats, of course, the drum beat of possible war, possibility of an arms race is on the minds of so many in the region. we the global resources of cnn covering every angle. we begin with will ripley, no stranger to north korea, he
joins us live from bay with the breaking details. >> reporter: what we're seeing in this region is an increasing concern an actual could break out. we're seeing fiery rhetoric on both sides. north korea putting out an alarming warning to the united states threatening to potentially look at attack plans for guam. guam is significant because it houses key u.s. military assets. there's a coast guard station. you mentioned andersen air force base. north korea occupies about 30% of that island. the u.s. flying bombing missions from that island. on monday the u.s. flew two bombers over the north korea peninsula, on going show of force after their two icbm tests in the month of july, but also last month the u.s. flew two super sonic jets from guam which is why you saw this very
efforts on some many levels. joe johns joins us from the president's retreat with the latest. joe. >> reporter: good morning, bill. that fire and fury pronouncement from the president of the united states, some of the most incendiary language used by an american president in decades, quickly followed up with another threat from north korea. the president did not make clear in his statement whether he was talking about rhetorical threats from north korea or if he was referring to physical military tangible threats from north korea. it was also not clear whether the president had crafted the wording of that statement with his advisers or if he was speaking more extemporaneously. let's listen. >> north korea best not make anymore threats to the united
states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never se seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal statement. as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> reporter: the president's statement also attracted bipartisan criticism from members of congress, perhaps most notably from republican senator john mccain who said an american president needs to be able to back up his statements, and he said he wasn't sure president trump at this point was ready to act. the president's words also likely to complicate the efforts of the secretary of state in the region. alisyn, back to you. >> joe, thank you very much for all that background. the escalating tension between the u.s. and north korea prompting neighboring countries
to consider deploying more powerful weapons. cnn's alexandra field is live in seoul. what's the latest there? >> reporter: alisyn, we know a war of words can lead to a mistake. that's the fear. that's what can cause conflict. north korea doesn't need icbms or nuclear weapons to stage an attack in the region where you have 30,000 u.s. troops posted in south korea, another 50,000 troops posted in japan. these are real concerns for the people living here you've got more than 20 million people in the wider seoul metropolitan area, just 35 miles away from the dmz, where there are weapons along the heavily fortified border. they live under the threat of an attack constantly. some officials in japan have started to talk about what japan can do to decrease deterrent capacity. similar messages here in south korea where the president has outlined ways to do it.
capable of hitting either coast of the u.s. mainland. barbara starr with more on their advancing capabilities. what do they have? >> good morning, bill. the question is do we know? do we know exactly what the north korean threat is. on the question of the nuclear warhead, u.s. intelligence doesn't have a complete agreement. some u.s. intelligence agencies are saying north korea has produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can go on top of one of these missiles. not everybody agrees. what does a produced warhead mean? from people we're talking to, our sources are telling us it is not yet a tested war led, they haven't tested it, and it's not clear that that warhead would be deployable. in other words, could it go into the field and be part of an attack on top of a missile? what about the miss snil we have seen north korea test the missiles, long-range and intermediate-range. ones that could potentially hit
>> it elevated us to the level of tension that i don't think anybody welcomes. it was unnecessary. i don't think the president needed to go quite as strong as he did yesterday. i think there is still room for diplomacy. you have to kind of -- i know it's hard and maybe not completely practical to separate the president from its team. let's just do that for a second. his national security team has taken a very deliberate, thoughtful, measured approach to the problem of north korea. they did this since inauguration. they've been working this problem. they have had some success. they've got this 15-0 unanimous vote in the u.n. security council. you have tillerson in the region talking about the need for negotiations with the north. he's definitely made clear that we're not after a regime change or radical quick reunification in the korean peninsula. of course, secretary mattis doing everything he can to make sure that we're ready not only to defend ourselves, but our allies in the region.
there's a got of good work undermined by the president's unnecessary rhetoric. plus he's playing right into kim jong un's hands. he wants to make this about the united states, not about the international community which it very much is. when the president reacts the way he does, he reenforces kim's propaganda that it is about the united states and regime change. he's actually working to isolate us rather than north korea from the international community. >> mark, it's worth pointing out that the talk about attacking guam from the north koreans, doesn't come after the president's words in new jersey, but actually came after some b 1 bombing runs from andersen air force base in guam. talk about our capabilities, talk about the vulnerability of that american territory. >> you hit the exact point, bill, that's critically important. first of all, the threats -- as the smoke has cleared over the last 24 hours from when the president stated his remarks and
target? there's no indication that they do yet. finally, do they have the intention of doing that, or is it just another threat? those three things, the ability, the capability and the intention are something that most military analysts are looking at and saying it's not there yet, but it is a threat from a spokesman, and weave got to look at it that way. >> will ripley, you're in beijing. you know this region as well as any reporter anywhere, you've been in and out of north korea. how do you see it this morning and what is china's response? >> reporter: china and north korea has been noticeably silent during the overnight hours. the ministry of foreign affairs here is on a two-week break and often take a while to respond, especially to provocative statements from president trump. north korea takes time to put out a response because so many people have to sign off on it.
i was in pyongyang about a month and a half ago. i can tell you the sense i get from speaking with officials there, they want these weapons, they want to per next these weapons but do not want to use the weapons. the weapons are there to keep the current reg even, kim jong un in power. that's why they've been testing their medium to long range missiles, because they want these weapons as a te ternt, to prevent the united states from doing in north korea what they perceive happened in libya. they watched what happened with gadhafi and don't want to see that with kim jong un. they mentioned iraq, libya, syria to me. they view these weapons as helping them possibly gain concessions. they view them as essential to protect international sovereignty. i guarantee north korea will broadcast his words across the country in their statement of
propaganda, that only justifies their efforts in yar eyes and their sacrifices for all they're investing in these weapons at the expense of food, electricity, clean water. >> rear admiral kirby, it is striking, when you look back at harry truman some 72 years ago talking about the bomb on hiroshima and saying, a rain of ruin from the air, the likes of which has never been seen on this earth. we don't know whether that was an extemporaneous comment from the president yesterday. his body language seemed to indicate with the crossed arms and repeating those words, that somebody planted those particular words in his ear. what do you make of the theory that some reports would say he's being a madman like a fox? >> i don't think there's any way to know whether somebody advised
him to do it. it didn't appear to me to be scripted. i can't imagine anybody on his national security team thinking it's a good idea to put a three by five index card in front of him saying hey, president trump, say this, this will help a lot. i don't know if he's a student of harry truman or not. but i don't think -- obviously it's helpful one way or the other. but i do think it's important to remember that there are larger stakes here, and that trying to bring down the rhetoric, bring down the temperature, is really a better way to move forward here. he has room -- this is what i keep going back to, he has room for diplomacy, he just has to let it work. >> well, other lawmakers have other ideas, general hertling, of how this should be handled. here are john mccain and darrell isa yesterday. >> i think the row turned ruler
in pyongyang is not crazy, but ready to go to the brink. the great leaders that i've seen, they don't threaten unless they are ready to act. >> yeah. >> and i'm not sure president trump is ready to act. >> if true, it represents the greatest crisis undoubtedly since the cuban missile crisis. the correlation is very similar. this is something that can hit us and our allies, and it's a rogue nation that we suspect would use it. >> obviously, general, two republicans speaking out there. what do you think darrell isa saying this is akin to the cuban missile crisis? >> i think that's an understatement by the nth agree. a war in this region would be devastatingly catastrophic. i can't think of a conflict that would have more dire
circumstances in terms of human tragedy than this one. truthfully as i've seen war games and participated in war games on the korean peninsula, the various events that could occur with any kind of strike, preemptive or not, and the reper cautions of counterstrikes would be devastates not only to the korean people, but everyone keeps talking about the 28,000 u.s. soldiers on the peninsula, that doesn't include their spouses, children, parakeets or pets, but also u.s. patriots. there would be devastating effects on these people, not just from the initial strike but what comes after that. having trained on the korean innocence, the terrain is very challenging. it would be a tough conflict, much tougher than the desert kind of warfare that we've fought over the last seven years, and the casualties would be at nominal. i don't think i can say it with anymore hyperbole than that, but
all of that would be true. we've seen war games that have tested that, and we see the results. it would not be a pretty sight. >> can i just say north korea has a lot pointed across the peninsula. all the u.s. forces and their dependents and millions of people in metropolitan seoul are all within firing range and have been since the 1960s or perhaps even sooner. north korea has had a lot of artillery pointed, they haven't used it. things have gotten to the brink before. north korea hasn't used it because they know, if they cross that line, that likely if not certainty is the end of their regime. >> he understands mutually assured destruction, at least that's the hope about kim jong un. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. stand by throughout the program as there are developments. will, thank you for all that context. president trump sending this ominous warning to the regime in
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americans are concerned about the north korean threat. 62% say north korea poses a very serious threat. this poll was taken before the events of yesterday, that's up from 48% in march. this is the highest it's been in polling dating back to 2000. 77% say they believe north korea can launch a missile capable of hitting the u.s. mainland. >> half say they disapprove of president trump's handling of the situation while 37% ap f pro. as to whether the u.s. should take military action, 53% favoring, 43% against. let's bring in john avlon and chris cillizza. gentlemen, good to be with you this morning. we've been talking, over six months of tweets and comments he's yet to face a crisis. is this the crisis? >> it certainly appears to be. partly a crisis of his own
making. his administration has been fairly firm and proactive on north korea, more so than his immediate predecessors. yesterday's statements are hard to write up solely as strategy. that's where we're seeing what has been a lot of people's concerns for some time. most of the crises affecting this administration have been self-inflicted. the job involves dealing with larger crises, now the two seem to have collided. >> chris cillizza, i heard the president's words yesterday as deliberate. he repeated them in what i thought was a sort of deliberate, methodical way, the fire and fury like the world has never seen, he repeated it again the second time. so that seems to my ear to have been a crafted statement. i also believe that because of the way he used to tweet -- when donald trump would tweet in 2013 before he was a candidate or president, he was frustrated by what he felt was president obama's lack of strong rhetoric
trump is a believer in tough rhetoric. he's said on every front, particularly policy, diplomacy and trade, that our leaders are not tough enough. we bow and skreep to the world, don't reassert ourselves. part of make america great again, yes, most of us was focused on the domestic side, but some on foreign policy as well, we need to reassert our muscularity to the world. >> the point is not that the president was unaware of the words coming out of his mouth. there was a scripted quality to them. from a strategic perspective, the president of the united states doesn't threaten nuclear war unless you're ready to go to nuclear war. i think it's a total mistake to assume that's a strategy from the national security apparatus at the white house. >> if you go back to the cold war, back to the cuban missile crisis, kennedy's administration is trying to convince allies
around the world we need to blockade this island nation, they've got weapons, got weapons pointed at us and. we've got a credibility issue not just with world leaders, allies, but his own people if these polls bear out. >> both the presidential parallels used this morning are instructive in that they don't actually work. the kennedy brothers were trying to separate the bellicose rhetoric with what khrushchev might actually do, trying to find a way for them to save face, pulling the jupiter missiles out of turkey which was decisive, as well as a military blockade. in the case of truman, that rhetoric was given after the bomb. presidential parallels in history are' nor lusly important in providing perspective, but
they don't work here. >> john, i would just add, remember during and after the campaign, remember the big line was the press and democrats took donald trump literally. his supporters took him figuratively. well, he doesn't mean everything he says. okay. but now we're in a situation where what do we take him now? is this a literal fire and fury, a symbolic fire and fury. does kim jong un know that? this is the danger of donald trump saying things he is sort of a provocateur by nature, always has been, saying things to get a reaction. in american politics people can tut tut, in the end of the day, no one is really deeply hurt by it. there are real consequences here if he is misunderstood or maybe
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if true, it represents the greatest crisis probably since -- let me rephrase that -- undoubtedly since the cuban missile crisis. the correlation is very similar. this is something that can hit us and our allies, and it's with a rogue nation that we suspect would use it. >> the escalating rhetoric between the u.s. and north korea has many drawing comparisons to the cuban missile crisis. not our next guest. let's talk about it with cnn's global affairs analyst aaron david miller, the author of "the end of greatness."
now for years. they have intermediate range missiles that could probably reach guam. have they perfected a reentry system, could they cause damage? i don't want to trivialize the threat. on the other hand, i don't want to exacerbate it and create the kind of panic to some degree that was reflected in the president's rhetoric yesterday. now is time for reassurance, it's time for cool, cool, calculated moves and a possible strategy. in large part, alisyn, look at the options. sanctions will not work. we're not going to alter kim jong un's behavior, no matter how punishing they may be. >> why is the security council going that route? if that's hopeless and that's just a futile exercise, then where does that leave us? >> it's part of the package. it's necessary perhaps and not sufficient. sanctions isn't going to work, i don't think. if working means bringing kim
jong un and his regime to its knees, that's not going to work. then you're left with the default position. you contract to china and china is an important player. china cannot give kim jong un what he wants. only we can do that. finally, military options which as hertling and kirby said in eloquent and compelling fashion, is a huge risk right now, that leaves the default position. the default position is some kind of dialogue at least to try to defuse the rhetoric. back channel, discreet, to test the proposition, alisyn that, in fact, there is a diplomatic solution to this. i'm not entirely persuaded there is. but not to pursue it, as long as he isn't dead because frankly, we haven't really tried it. >> north korea is the one saying our nuclear program is not on the table. so how does that -- where does diplomacy start with that position?
effort to set this in a much more stable mode. >> when you say what kim jong un wants, what is that? >> the guy is, what, in his 30s? conceivably he could be running this place for the next 50 years. maybe he wants a modified china model. maybe he wants to seek the economic development of north korea. maybe he wants the end to prospects of regime change and the environment -- look, i'm not painting -- i'm not working for this guy. this is a despottic regime. look what they did to that poor kid, otto warmbier. that's not the point. the point is can we find a way to deescalate and test the proposition that in effect, some modus of avendi can be found. >> aaron david miller, thank you very much. >> thank you, alisyn. leakers are a threat to the
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it seems hypocritical since the president has vowed to crack down on leaks. brian me brian stelter, host of "reliable sources" and alvin chang who has done a deep dive into the president's viewing habits. let's start with the retweet. he seemed to reveal a cia covert operation to arm syrian rebels. he retweeted a propaganda bot over the weekend. >> still not sure what the treat was from the fan named nicole who may or may not be a real person. now with the retweet of "fox & friends," the president's favorite show on television, a pro trump show that he gets a lot of information from. that means that show has an added responsibility to get it right when the president is paying attention. i do think when it comes to this tweet about classified information there is hypocrisy here, but a long history of u.s. government choices about whether to pursue leakers or not.
sometimes leaks are sanctioned, encouraged by the intel community, sometimes they're not. i think this is one of those situations where we're seeing the u.s. intel community leak information about north korea purposely to inform the public. >> it comes after jeff sessions thundered from the podium we'll pursue leakers to the full extent of the law. >> i hope people recognize it's frequently the president or his aides doing the leaking. >> alvin, let me jump
in here -- sorry, alisyn. alvin, you looked at "fox & friends" for many years, many months. >> i looked at 17 months of "fox & friends." >> bless your heart. what did you find? >> i found "fox & friends" evolved after the trump presidency began, after his inauguration, after he won the election. two main findings. one was that "fox & friends"
started using we statements more like we should do this, we should do that, almost as if to tell the president, hey, we're on the side. >> talking to him through the television. >> there's an incredible moment a few weeks after his inauguration where the hosts say, president trump, if you're watching, please flicker your lights. of course, he doesn't because he probably has more important things to do. eight minutes later they say, here he is, flickering his lights. that said, it's impressionive of how the show will evolve. >> that's the substance of the show every day, the president is watching all these morning shows. it creates added pressure for you, bill, for hosts, producers, especially the fox hosts because that's the president's favorite show, to get it right, to be fair and proportional. especially when we're talking about north korea. >> another part of the analysis,
they use imperative sentence more, meaning they instruct or advise the president. they've done it increasingly more since his election. their most avid viewer became the president. what do you do then? you start to wield that influence. >> what's wagging
the dog, right? i remember a tv consultant would say picture one person in a specific room and talk through the prompter to them. >> right, i would picture my grandma talking to the leader of the free world here as well. >> that's absolutely right. sometimes it's explicit. usually it's implicit in the conversations. there's an awareness about the president watching. for "fox & friends," that's mostly in order to give him positive reenforcement, to promote his presidency, to tell him the rest of the media is out to get you but we love you. the recent issue, bs days when the stakes are high, these shows have a responsibility to get
accurate information to him, to be contextualized, to be proportional, not raise the rhetoric even higher. "fox & friends," when there's mistakes, when there's sloppiness, the show acts like a presidential daily brief, but it's not fact checked like a presidential daily brief. >> there's been a couple of reports out lately about how his media diet is sort of curated for his ego as well. there's a young man who works in the white house whose job is to go through the mainstream media, find the best, most positive stories, present them to those outside, but inside is there a sense that he's getting a varnished view of the world zm. >> an extraordinary story from vice yesterday that the president receives a packet known inside the white house as a propaganda packet, this is positive news stories, positive kyrons at the bottom of the screen. some sources say it's not an entirely positive piece of propaganda. the white house is confirming he
does receive this packet to tell him what's being covered and what's being said. that's unusual according to past white house veterans. all presidents care about their news coverage but not seeing on a daily basis pictures of themselves on television and kyrons on the screen. according to vice, he wants positive attention. >> brian, alvin, appreciate your insights. >> you handled that very well solo. >> i tried to share with you. zblmt thank you guys very much. president trump directing his fiercest rhetoric yet at north korea. pyongyang threatening an attack on guam. how can this showdown be defused? we have all the latest details next.
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